Pledge of Allegiance.

Administrators Matt Carlson placed a telephone call to Mayor Ed McAleer in California.

The Mayor had the following comments: 1. Moratorium – The City needs to look at the Master Plan concerning multi-family, high, and medium density development.  Stormwater needs a quality assurance program.  Ordinances to allow for continue monitoring of existing stormwater facilities and have the developer/property owner make improvements as needed. 2. Water Issue – The Council should consider a 2-part referendum.  A) A stand-alone water system in the CBD-TIF District (Downtown), no mandatory hookup and no assessment.  B) A Water Master Plan for the whole City. Mayor McAleer referenced part of John J. Prentice, Esq. Prentice & Phillips letter dated October 19, 2000.  The conversation concluded at 7:10 p.m.

1. APPROVE MINUTES
 
Approve the minutes of October 16, 2000.  (Quartaro/Romanowski)  Carried. Ald. Phil Schuman abstained.

2. CITIZENS COMMENTS

Bob Anderson 1527 Milwaukee Street – Requested that the City end the expansion of the water system.  Did not support and City-wide or Downtown water system.

Dave Fellows, 904 Hawks Hollow – Opposed the downtown water, extension of Milwaukee St., budgeting $50,000 of tax money to be used to defeat the wishes of your constituents.  He does support a moratorium on growth.  Letter submitted dated 11/6/2000.

Ald. P. Schuman read “The Lang Companies” letter dated November 1, 2000.

Betsy Busch, 830 Wells St, is in favor of the moratorium and against the water.

Martin Porubcan, 1525 Third Street, opposes expansion of the water system, and supports the moratorium.  He is concerned about silt in the lake, schools and traffic.

Paul Schmidtke, 2912 Nagawicka Ave., stated that he would like to see expansion to continue, but in a downward direction and that, he did not support water.

Tom Kelley, 2218 West Shore Drive submitted a letter from Southeastern Wisconsin Regional Planning Commission dated November 6, 2000 regarding urban runoff.  He supports the moratorium.  He is concerned about silt in the Lake.

Dan Costigan, 1547 Milwaukee St, opposed the water system, expansion of Milwaukee Street.  He does not support the water system.  Suggest that developers follow the zoning.

Mark Weber, 2534 Grove Court, thanked everyone that attended all the meetings.

Linda Kuklinski read the letter from the Mission Ridge Advancement Association, dated November 6, 2000.  She is personally against the expansion of the water system and supports the moratorium.

Mr. Stilkey, Hwy 83 opposes water.  Major reason for water is for fire protection.  The city could add two people to the Fire Dept. if needed.

Colleen Costigan-Seaman, 1613 Milwaukee St., she defense her rights to use her water.  If she cannot use her water, that is a taking and the city should compensate her.

Lynn Riech, 484 Garrison Ct. does want a referendum on the water, because citizens would vote on a water system that is not directly effecting them.  Business owners do not want water.

James LaFore, 1441 Genesee St., opposes the water and supports the moratorium.  He did not want any more money spent on the water study and opposes EarthTech to be allowed to bid on the construction of a water system.

Steve Steward - Hawks Commons indicated that they were withdrawing the project and that this has been an educational experience.  He looks forward in working with the city to develop the property.

Michele Krause, 936 Main Street, is opposed to the water.  Businesses need affordable housing.  Distributed information on “Smart Growth”

Mary Zahorik, 1948 West Shore Drive – She asked the Council how may post cards they received from citizens concerning the water.  Council members responded.  Mary Zahorik is opposed to the water and supports the moratorium.

Val Gottschalk, 1465 Milwaukee St. supports the building moratorium.  Suggested that the city check out the web site of the Water Control Commission on building stormwater management.

Hassan Karbassi, 461 Garner Ridge, business on Enterprise Road does not support water.

Roger Salick, 821 Genesee St. does not support Downtown water.  Roger supports no water no referendum.

Marcua Stocks, 226 Genesee St. opposes water, and suggest that the building moratorium being considered be only for a short time.  She is concerned about traffic on Genesee St.

Jim Zahorik, 1948 West Shore Drive, does not support the water system. Requested several items such as where does the TIF money come from, for how long, the August 17 workshop on Municipal Water, I-94/83 water system, $500,000 for radium, $50,000 for Attorney Chapman, Private well permitting per ordinance and item 7.g. on the agenda.  He suggested that the city spend no more money on water.  Kill water tonight.

Allan Karch, 1336 Wilderness Trail opposes the water system and supports the moratorium.

Cindy Broydrick commented on a resent newspaper article and said the Council needs to step back and take a deep breath on everything.  We are sending the wrong message.

Jim Zahorik spoke on access to records when they are out being microfilmed.  It was explained that they are out of the office for 3 to 5 working days.  The minutes are still available on disk when requested.  Records are microfilmed and the filmed is stored off-site in case of a fire.

Citizens’ comments ended at 8:50 p.m.

3. CONSENT AGENDA
a. Trunked radio confirmation
MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRUNK RADIO SYSTEM.  (QUARTARO/ROMANOWSKI) CARRIED
b. Two-year bartender license for Lori Jean Layman; Water Street Brewery
MOTION TO APPROVE TWO-YEAR BARTENDER LICENSE FOR LORI JEAN LAYMAN, WATER STREET BREWERY.  (ROMANOWSKI/LIEBLANG)  CARRIED.
c.     Ordinance 478 increasing ambulance fees
MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 478 INCREASING AMBULANCE FEES. (QUARTARO/ALDRIDGE)  CARRIED.

4. COMMITTEE REPORTS
a. Licenses
b. Plan Commission
Ald. Romanowski reported that the minutes were part of the Council packet items discussed were Brennan’s Farm Market which will be coming back to the Plan Commission and Public Works, Downtown street light which will discussed at the December 4th Council meeting and the building moratorium which will be consider later in the agenda.
c. Lake Welfare Committee – Meeting this Wednesday
d. Park and Recreation Commission
e. Public Works Committee – discussed stormwater and erosion control ordinance and will consider this item and Brennan’s next month.
f. Del-Hart Commission – Meeting November 21, 2000
g. Recycling Committee – Will schedule a short meeting
h. Police and Fire Commission – Tuesday night
i. Cable TV Committee – No report
j. Library Board – No report
k. Other committees

5. OLD BUSINESS

a. Building moratorium as recommended by Plan Commission

The Council discussed the length of a building moratorium.  They did not want it to exceed six months.  School impact was discussed and to what end a development in the city adds students to Cushing School versus a development in the Town of Delafield adding student to the School system.  Stormwater and erosion control was discussed and the length of time it would take to consider and implement new standards.

Ald. Craig asked about project that appeared before the Plan Commission.  Member discussed this issue.  Several developments were proposed before the Plan Commission before the discussion of a moratorium.  Plan Commission members discussed possible legal action by the developers.
 
MOTION MADE BY ALD. QUARTARO, SECONDED BY ALD. LIEBLANG TO HAVE THE CITY’S ATTORNEY DRAFT AN ORDINANCE FOR A MORATORIUM NOT TO EXCEED SIX (6) MONTHS FOR ALL UNPLATTED LANDS THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF IMPLEMENTING AND UPDATING ORDINANCES FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND EROSION CONTROL AND TO REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE AN OVERALL FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THE DEVELOPMENT. (5-0) CARREID.

b. Consideration of finalizing water policy

Ald. Schuman gave a summary of the options; we could eliminate no City water at all, we can do as the Mayor suggested, have a referendum and somewhere in the middle am looking for compromise sometimes.   People say that they do not want to be forced into water.  They do not want to pay for it.  They have questions of the quality of the water and their rights to have water.  We have a major investor in the community, Bob Lang, who has invested $22 million into the City.  Other developers have invested good money into the City also.  They make requests of the City to spend the taxpayers money, parking lots, curbs, and gutters things like that, which they find in their interests.  One of the things we can do tonight is pass the water just for the TIF District and strictly voluntary and any money that comes from the TIF District would be used to fund that.  Bob Lang has about 56% of the property in the TIF District, there are some other developers also but in effect they would be paying for their own water development things that they perceive in their own interests.  Those of you who do not perceive hooking up to the water system to be in your interests, it would be strictly voluntary.

Ald. Mathey statement on this consideration of finalizing a water policy he is in strong favor of this one end of the spectrum.  The City Council can conclude that the water system is a bad idea and we should not spend any more time and money on it.  This whole deal with the water supply, municipal water, downtown water has become so divisive with the City that it is getting to be like a war zone.  He thinks that we should drop it right now and get on with our lives.  It would be a better community.

Ald. Schuman indicated that there were many miscommunications regarding the proposed water system.  Ald. Craig stated that downtown at one time included from Milwaukee and Golf Road to Downtown and at one time discussions took place that the plume was moving in that direction down Milwaukee Street.  Administrator Carlson stated that we relied upon information Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources had given us about the movement of the plume.  Ald. Craig stated that Roger Salik made the statement tonight really wraps it up for him also when people are not affected they are not as caring.  It is easy for someone outside of the affected area to say sure go ahead, but feels he is affected because it is his tax money.  He does not think these people are completely seeing the picture.  Ald. Craig keeps asking the same question and keeps getting the same three answers.  They say quality.  We showed in our initial water study that is not a problem.  Quantity, he talked to private well drillers. They are not drilling wells that are going dry.  Therefore, the quantity is not a problem.  Fire, Cushing School could burn no one would want that to happen.  There are warehouses in the area.  The property owner wants them to be protected.  He hears that Mr. Lang has implemented some systems, because the law has changed since some of those warehouses were initially built.  He knows that you can put in private fire protections systems.  If Mr. Lang wants to protect his buildings, maybe he should put in a fire protection system.  The three reasons for a water system are not holding any water.

Ald. Romanowski stated there are other buildings downtown.  You have the Knollcrest Apartments, which is elderly housing.  Ald. Craig responded that the Fire Department is right there. Ald. Romanowski said how much water could the Fire Dept. carry to that building, three thousand gallons every 15 minutes?  Ald. Craig stated there are other tankers around here that are able to come.  Ald. Romanowski stated they could not take tankers to that house fire in Nashotah fast enough.  Ald. Craig stated that he is not going to say life is perfect and that this solution is the absolute best, God forbid if anything ever burns down, no one wants that to occur.  He could not see us building a water system for that reason.  Ald. Romanowski stated we are singularly probably the only community of this size of this magnitude of commercial property and public property that does not have a municipal water system to protect the property.  Ald. Craig stated we have good water in our houses, if we did not he would say, yes, let us do water.  Ald. Mathey stated the majority of the people do not want water.  Ald. Romanowski stated we can determine that with a referendum.  Jim tried to call all my postcards.  They do not want water to their homes, but they all want a referendum (but one).  Ald. Lieblang stated if we put it up for a referendum, just lets say it was voted down.  Then we would know in five years, if it comes back, how many people wanted and did not want water.  He is in favor of a referendum for downtown only.  Let us get out of doing the whole City, no one wants the whole City.  Lets put it up for a vote.  Ald. Manthey questioned if the referendum was just for certain areas or the whole City? Ald. Lieblang stated that is the next discussion.  Do we have the whole City vote on water or just the people in CDB-1 in a nine-block area? Ald. Craig asked if are we going to have a system proposed to them? Are we just going to sit as we are right now and say in February O.K. do you want to move forward on this or are we going to develop something?  Ald. Schuman stated we can do a number of different things; eliminate the whole thing or we can go with a referendum.  We can go a couple different levels with a referendum.  Ald. Craig stated he was in agreement with Bud.  We heard overwhelmingly that people do not want this system.  There is no need.  No one can come up with a real sound reason; this is why we have to have water.  He understands communities are size normally have a water system.  They may not have our good water.  Ald. Mathey stated regarding fire protection, they say it is not water that is the problem, but getting the equipment to the fire.  It takes time to get the volunteers Firemen to man the trucks and get to the fire.  They got the water, but not the manpower.  Ald. Romanowski stated he does not think our circumstances are different then other communities of similar size.  Ald. Mathey stated you have guys living in firehouses in other communities.  You got regular Firemen.  Ald. Romanowski stated that is true in the biggest communities in the county, but otherwise the other communities are volunteers also.  Ald. Lieblang stated we can not afford a full time fire department.  That would cost us a million dollars a year, we can not afford that.  Ald. Mathey, that is not what I am getting at.  They said we are having a problem putting out fires with the little bit of water we have.  The biggest problem is not getting the water to the fire it is getting the manpower and equipment to the fire.  Ald. Quartaro stated there is no one here who would sit here and seriously say that the easiest way to put out a fire is not with a fire hydrant.

Ald. Quartaro stated that she watched the tape of the water hearing. This is for those of you who had a lot of criticism for those of us Aldermen who were not at the water hearing.  She was on a trip that was planned before the water hearing was scheduled.  She does not missed Council meetings, it is not her habit to miss meetings.  Had she been able to attend, she would have.  So my apologies.  Linda does not think she deserved the shoots she took at the meeting.  Linda does not want to see a water master plan for the entire City.  She would like to see a referendum stand-alone Downtown volunteer system for businesses that want it.  She does not want to see a referendum on water for the entire City.  She does not think there is public support for it.   People might view it as an either or proposition and it might be misleading.   Ald. Lieblang stated to make it as simple as possible.  Ald. Quartaro stated she thinks the simplest thing would be to propose a stand-alone downtown system with voluntary hook-up for businesses that want it.  Then on the referendum, the reason she wants a referendum is you all have made a point that we do not represent all the people.  The collation does not represent the people either.  You represent a segment of the population that agrees with you, but you do not represent the community at large.  That is why she believes we need a citywide referendum.  Let everyone be heard, that is Democracy in action.

MOTION MADE BY ALD. QUARTARO, SECONDED BY ALD. ROMANOWSKI TO MOVE THAT WE HAVE A CITYWIDE REFERENDUM IN THE APRIL ELECTION ON THE ISSUE OF WEATHER THERE SHOULD BE A STAND ALONE DOWNTOWN WATER SYSTEM WITH VOLUNTARY HOOK-UP.  ALD. LIEBLANG OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT UNTIL APRIL WE DO NOT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON THE WATER ISSUE.  ALD. CRAIG TO HOLD THE REFERENDUM IN FEBRUARY OR AT THE FIRST STATE ELECTION.  ALD. QUARTARO, I WILL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.  ALD. SCHUMAN ASKED THE CLERK TO READ THE MOTION BACK TO THEM. THE FIRST STATE ELECTION, THIS IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE SECOND TO HAVE A VOLUNTARY STAND-ALONE DOWNTOWN WATER SYSTEM VOTED BY THE ENTIRE CITY. ALD. LIEBLANG THAT WE SPEND NO MORE MONEY.  ALD. QUARTARO THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE REFERENDUM.     ALD. SCHUMAN DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.  ALD. SCHUMAN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR I CALL FOR THE MOTION.  (5-2) ALDERPERSONS  SCHUMAN, LIEBLANG, QUARTARO, ALDRIDGE, ROMANOWSKI YES, ALDERPERSONS MATHEY AND CRAIG NO.  MOTION CARRIED.

6. MAYOR'S REPORT
a. Appointment

7. NEW BUSINESS

a. Request of Chamber of Commerce to have tree lighting ceremony in front of City Hall
MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO HAVE TREE LIGHTING IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.  (CRAIG/ROMANOWSKI)  CARRIED.

b. Presentation by city resident Ron Hettwer regarding use of salt and winter lake patrol – Ron Hettwer was not present.
c. Recommendation by sub-committee members Rick Lieblang, Mike Scaff and Paul Craig regarding downtown street lights – December 4th meeting.
d. Consideration of proposal from John Isleb, Earth Tech regarding Water    Quality Analysis – item withdrawn

8. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
a. Retirement party for Police Chief Jack Arndt -
December 13, 2000 Hawks Inn Visitors Center
b. Change order for Milwaukee Street extension.

The project is about 10 days behind, but expected to be completed on time.  Change order is for installation of a fabric and extra gravel for structurally stabilization and other minor changes, were distributed and discusssed.
 

9. CLERK'S REPORT
a. November 7th election
Clerk Czubkowski reported that as of November 2, 2000 that there were 339 new registrants, and 335 absentee ballots requested, 159 were voted in the office and 107 were mailed.  She acknowledges the efforts of the staff for a job well done.
b. ETN program Local Land Use Planning & Zoning 2000-2001
Ald. Craig was interested in the March ETN session.  The Clerk will order the materials and obtain an audiocassette.
c. Selma Leaf claim
Wausau Insurance settled with Selma Leaf for a fall at the Fish Hatchery.
d. 2000 Tax Collection Agreement with Waukesha County
Motion to approve the Tax Collection Agreement with Waukesha County. (Quartaro/Lieblang)  Carried.

10. FINANCIAL REPORT
a. Approve voucher list
MOTION TO APPROVE THE VOUCHERS.  (LIEBLANG/QUARTARO)  CARRIED.
b. Revenue/Expense Report
c. Treasurer's Report – July
MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY TREASURER’S REPORT.  (QUARTARO/ALDRIDGE)  CARRIED.

11. CORRESPONDENCE
a. January 1, 2000 City of Delafield population - 6,404
b. Minutes of September 25, 2000 LACS meeting
c. Correspondence dated October 16, 2000 from Sheriff William Kruziki regarding merger of LACS and Waukesha County dispatch centers
d. League of Wisconsin Municipalities letter dated October 20, 2000
e. Correspondence dated October 20, 2000 from Dorothy Peterson, W237 Oakwood Drive regarding Hawks Commons
f. Correspondence dated October 13, 2000 from DNR regarding study of bacteria in Milwaukee's waterways
g. Correspondence dated October 19, 2000 from Waukesha County Federated Library System
h. Correspondence regarding municipal water
1) Gary Bass, 1630 Journey's Drive
2) Brian Fobian, 624 Milwaukee Street
3) Dan and Sharon Costigan, Costigan Barber Shop
4) Bob and Christine Anderson, 1527 Milwaukee Street
5) John Skornicka, 1114 Main Street
6) Betsy Busch, 830 Wells Street
7) John J. Prentice, Prentice & Phillips
8) James Stuart, 2410 Hirschman Lane
9) James W. Buege, 1342 Milwaukee Street
10) The Lang Companies, PO Box 99, Delafield
i. Correspondence dated October 24, 2000 from Betsy Busch regarding building moratorium
j. Correspondence dated October 30, 2000 from WCTC regarding attendance by municipalities
k. Correspondence dated October 23, 2000 from DNR regarding replacement of boat ramp on Nagawicka Lake
l. Correspondence dated November 1, 2000 from Robert Lang regarding Hawks Commons

12. ADJOURN INTO CLOSED SESSION

MOTION MADE BY ALD. ALDRIDGE, SECONDED BY ALD. ROMANOWSKI TO ADJOURN INTO CLOSED SESSION AT 10:08 P.M. PER §19.85(E) DELIBERATING OR NEGOTIATING THE PURCHASING OF PUBLIC PROPERTIES, THE INVESTING OF PUBLIC FUNDS, OR CONDUCTING OTHER SPECIFIED PUBLIC BUSINESS, WHENEVER COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING REASONS REQUIRE A CLOSED SESSION (PARK LAND). ROLL CALL VOTE  BUD MATHEY, YEA; PHIL SCHUMAN, YEA; PAUL CRAIG, YEA; RICK LIEBLAND, YEA; LINDA QUARTARO, YEA; KATHY ALDRIDGE, YEA; JAMES ROMANOWSKI, YEA.  CARRIED.

13. RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION
Motion to reconvene into open session at 10:25 p.m. (Quartaro/Lieblang)  Carried.

14. ACTION OF ANY ITEMS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION - NONE

15. ADJOURNMENT.

Motion to adjourn at 10:25 p.m. (Craig/Quartaro)  Carried.

Respectfully submitted,
 
 

Marilyn Czubkowski, CMC
City Clerk/Treasurer